MJ Greyleaf
Dutch East Querious Company
Phoebe Freeport Republic
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Posted - 2016.01.24 20:48:57 -
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Chillya wrote:Some feedback:
Just some additional thoughts on 1: the more examples you could provide, the better (both single elements and combination). After an hour and a half of several tutorials and regular voting, I'm still not sure about the visual distinction between, say, cytoplasm and plasma membrane. And I have positively no idea how to identify focal adhesions. I wouldn't mind a more expansive tutorial (15 steps?).
Overall, I feel very excited about this feature.
Plasma membrane overlaps and surrounds the entire cell, it is the outermost surface so to say. Easiest way to differentiate between the two is to look at where the higher concentration of green markers is. If they overlap the outer rim of microtubules and are otherwise uniform throughout the cell image its a plasma membrane, if it has a higher concentration just around the nucleus and doesnt stretch beyond the reach of the microtubules then its cytoplasm. 4/5 times it's cytoplasm which probably makes it the single most exploitable option.
Focal adhesion is rare but not hard to identify. Like with membrane youll notice high concentration immediately at the edge of the cell, right at the end of microtubules, but unlike the plasma membrane they dont have a uniform spread throughout the cell's image, theyre very localised at the rim of the cell. Theyre usually very bright and hard to miss. The only difference between focal adhesion and cell junction is that cell junction is only present where a cell is in contact with another. If you see bright residue between two cells touching one another, check the rest of the cell's perimeter to see if there are any other residues. If there are - it's focal adhesion, if not it's a cell junction.
It is very easy to see that many people have tried to exploit PD on SiSi, cytoplasm, nuclear particles (few) and mitochondria are often highlighted regardless of whether they make sense or not (I can understand cytoplasm and the (few) particles but mitochondria?!? they are WAY too distinct to be justified as 'mistakes'). Rewards being what they are, I don't particularly care, I'll let other people argue over how game-breaking it is to make a little LP, tutorial though definitely needs improvement.
A) we need more examples to be clearly defined, maybe after submitting an answer parts of the sample should be highlighted the same way they are on the hover example pictures next to each option. That should help people understand what they need to look for.
B) someone said that the hover example pictures should include a slideshow. That person deserves a jar of cookies. The examples are labelled well and description are clear but we need to see a wider range of possibilities, each of them labelled.
C) skip button definitely needs to be a thing and with it should come penalties for spammers. a 'three strikes and youre out' kind of policy where if your results are outlier too much you get a strike. How about giving strikes each strike its own timer, say 30 minutes (or more depending on how far out you are from consensus) and then if you manage to accumulate all three (or more) than you need to wait for all of them to cool down before you can play again. of course you should be able to still use the minigame, just that your results are not taken and you dont get rewards, just practice.
D) doing this in groups doesnt make much sense (I'm talking about the idea to have people agree on a category before being able to submit), but you should definitely be able to drag and drop the picture into chat to ask other people their opinion. It'll raise awereness about the project, motivate people to try it, increase result fidelity etc. It NEEDS to be a thing. |